every day, not just from cyber, none of that is going away. you can manage jir our adversaries are trying to fill the hole. so one of the men worried about the potential national security threats because of the shutdown is america's top intelligence officer james clapper. >> i've been in the intelligence business for about 50 years. i've never seen anything like this. from my view, i think this on top of the sequestration cuts that we're already take that this seriously damages our ability to protect the safety and security of this nation and citizens. >> joining us live from washington, clark kent irvin, former general at the homeland department of security,s a spend institute homeland security program. good to see you. the defense secretary just announcing that he is recalling about 400,000 defense employees, civilians, to return to work