would talk, that she would embarrass the first lady? >> yeah. that's what makes the whole story so absolutely intriguing, and i promise you 100 years from now history will have really parsed it every way it can be parsed. we know from fdr's level of light, we didn't know he had one, it takes time for the history of these presidents to unravel completely. >> i think we'll be parsing through this as long as we can. it's almost like our own royal at this. the ken disand the photographs, doug weed. the photos and the perfection. just to learn that it perhaps wasn't all perfect. is that what it was? >> and it's true with all white houses. in every white house, including the one i served for george herbert walker bush, all of the