don't believe that's an excuse to have excessive spending habits. >> and not just to pinpoint this one woman, although she kind of stands out, the dean of the business school, she sort of stands out because of her exorbitant costs. when you compare her to, say, uc berkeley's person in the same position, her costs are seven times that of his. and we reached out to the university. this is what the communications department told us. they said, "travel by ucla leadership was consistent with that of deans at most of our peer institutions, though ucla has seen a more significant return on its investment than many of those other universities. in fact, ucla's stature in respected global university rankings rose even as state support declined dramatically." they went on to add that the school raised $3 billion during that time. and you talked about that, john. dean olian in particular raised $118 million. ucla here justifying the