everybody wants substantial assistan assistance, reduce their prison terms and are saying anything and everything about whitey bulger. >> interesting pleas. plea deals, or exchange deals offered here. >> cooperation. cooperation deals. >> cooperation. okay. >> there you go. >> let's talk about another case involving the wrongful death case against aeg. you've got the former pop star, michael jackson's mom, katherine jackson, taking to the stand, getting very emotional saying that she wants to know what really happened to her son. how impactful is the testimony of, you know, katherine jackson on the stand there? richard? >> yes, fred, it has to be gut wrenching. just like sybrina fulton and tracy martin, experiencing the loss of a son. she experienced the loss of her son. it's unnatural for a parent to have to bury a child. that's what's going on. they laid it on today. made them go through the beginning of the career of michael jackson, when he started singing. it's gut wrenching to hear this