of course, it's his. there's a minor profile, too, but we can't tell who. is that the same as no trayvon martin? >> no. and we don't know who that is, we don't know if it's a cop. you know what, if this is what the state has, this is the kind of evidence that says to a jury they don't have a case. they are used to seeing csi. >> well, they have a case. they've been putting a case on. >> i don't know. a lot of people would say every single one of these witnesses has been defense witnesses and the state is merely putting all the evidence in front of the jury and letting them acquit george zimmerman. >> isn't that a brilliant maneuver, put it front of the jury and let the jury decide. it's the way it's supposed to work. midwin charles, when i watch hours upon hours of a dna expert, sometimes my eyes cross. you and i get to see it all the time, so we know what's coming. these jurors might be seeing it for the first time. is it too much for them to grasp the critical aspects of it? >> well, i think juries take