she described it. said she wasn't scared and the exchange they also had was that he said one of them, we want to start a war in london and she said, well, it's only you against a lot of people and so you are going to lose. just listen to what else she had to say. >> were you not scared for yourself in that situation? >> no. >> why not? >> better me than a child. because, unfortunately, there were mothers with children stopping around. and more important that i talk to him and ask him what he wanted. >> she was amazingly brave, carol. a couple of other women too on the scene confronting these guys as well. but this woman, ingrid lawyer kenett. and a school teacher, turned cub scout leader, turned terrorist