expert, 15 years, my older sister, may may ali, who does gang violence for a living. i spoke with her this morning. she works with city of los angeles. and they have a program called the comprehensive gang strategy. and it's actually an evidence-based program that they use in los angeles. and i feel that chicago and other gang-infested cities should implement programs like that. they'll star to see an increasingly, increasingly improvement in what kids are doing. they're dropping like flies in chicago. it's unacceptable. >> i used to live in chicago and know may may's work. she does a lot of good work when it comes to this trying to get the word out when it comes to this. congratulations to her and to you for doing this. elzy, i want to talk to you now. >> thank you. >> because you and i feel the same way about this. that we need to treat gang members or people who do this. they are terrorists, too. i believe. and you believe that as well.