do with this -- these attacks, cover-up thereafter, it is awful. legally speaking, these are charges that for the first two suspects they could face only about five years max in prison, $250,000 in fines. and that's for the -- >> conspireing of the obstruction. >> obstruction. which defies logic. you think if you're getting rid of evidence, it may be more serious than telling a lie. both heinous, but the other, phillipos being charged with the willfully making materially false statements, that carries with it a more serious sentence, that's up to eight years. it is a maximum of eight years. and, again, another $250,000 in fines. i should also let you know in the complaint, mr. phillipos has also said at one point that the other two were speaking in russian. and i'm going to try to grab the quotes. mr. phillipos said he did not understand the majority of what kadyrbayev and tazhayakov were