15-minute period. we were able to get him to stand up and show us he didn't have a device on him. >> he's lying in this boat. he's wounded clearly. he's bleeding. he's obviously weak. you come over there and what do you say to him? you have a bull horn and start saying come out with your hands up? >> we have a negotiator on the second floor of the house looking down at the boat. there was a plastic tarp over him. we had the state police helicopter that could tell us when there was movement in the boat by the heat sensor. we could tell he was alive and moving and we began negotiations that way. over a long period of time, we were able to finally get him to surrender without anybody hurt. >> you didn't use anymore gunfire in the course? >> there was early gunfire when we first got in the area. he exchanged gunfire. >> what kind of weapon did he