witness confirmation that this family that's been on the run for several days now, at least one of those children and those pa parents have been spotted at a marina in havana. they were none too interested in continuing the conversation and our patrick ottoman was canvassed by the authorities in cuba who he so aptly pointed out had sidearms and were asked to back off. but there you have it. on the deck of the boat, patrick saw one of the children playing. did not get a bead on the second child. but in the meantime i want to bring in a former juvenile judge. i want to ask you about the issue of stripping someone of their parental rights. that's what happened in the united states. those two people have been stripped officially of their