did come in to testify. there are lots of other sources of information about how he was hired and who hired him. so i don't think it will make that much of a difference. >> jim, let's talk about the money here. is this case all about the money? we're talking about millions, possibly billions for the jacksons if aeg loses this case. is this really -- conrad murray seems to believe this is all about the money. aeg says it's all about the money because they're not suing dr. conrad murray. is that what it's about? >> it feels like that, don. it really does. it's funny, when you talk about the money and you talk about $40 billion being the number we've heard bandied about, my 15-year-old son said to me, he didn't make $40 million in his lifetime, did he? i said, no, not even close. he was worth $600 million in the estate when he died, and not even that. he was broke when he died. most of michael jackson's wealth at this point, the estate is, in the publishing rights.