couples -- both parties to the couple are infertile. and the traditional -- >> no, really, because if a couple -- i can just assure you, if both the woman and the man are over the age of 55, there are not a lot of children coming out of that marriage. >> a little laughter inside the u.s. supreme court today. so at the heart of this case is proposition 8 or prop 8, which bans same-sex marriage. californians approved it five years ago, but these two here, same sex couples, the plaintiffs in this case, are arguing that keeping them from getting married is unconstitutional. on the flip side, supporters of prop 8 say the courts should not undo a decision by the voters. let's turn now to two strong voices on this issue, we have ben ferguson, host of radio's ben ferguson show and david sarota, radio talk show host as well. gentlemen, welcome to both of you here. right off the top --