just drilled more then gas prices would come down. we have been drilling more. under my administration america is producing more oil than at any time in the last eight years. >> more outrage over the lavish $800,000 conference in vegas paid for with right, your tax dollars. lawmakers are holding another round of hearings on the spending scandal at the gsa. they say huge amounts spent on food, parties, hurts the reputation of all federal employees even those not involved. >> we can pick out the things or whatever makes the highlight tonight but 44 bucks for breakfast, i'm a big man, i can't spend 44 bucks for breakfast. somebody had to say that. are you kidding me. and then what it does, the american public believes every single employee and every single agency is corrupt and not doing what they are supposed to. >> taxes due today. the irs received about 99 million tax returns so. if yours is not among them, you don't have an extension, you have till midnight to get it in. get it posted. if you are late with the payment, penalties can range as high as 25% of your tax bill. >> some breaking news. jim acosta live on important remarks made. ted nugent making remarks that got some folks in a 'tissy. what is he saying? >> reporter: these are pretty controversial and probably i think you could classify them as incendiary from a rock 'n roller ted nugent. he made comments at the national rifle association's annual meeting friday when he went after president obama, went after democrats in general on the subject of gun ownership. he was trying to make the claim that the president and his administration are coming after gun owners in attempt to take away their right to bear arms. he made some comments that are starting to make the rounds, you could say, on social media, and popping up in blogs, a liberal leaning blog, the right wing watch, has put this out. it started to get retweeted and is certainly out there. let's play a little bit of what he had to say and give you context on the other side. >> if barack obama becomes the president in november again, i will either be dead or in jail by this time next year. why are you laughing. you think that's funny? that's not funny at all. i'm serious as a heart attack. >> now, one of the reasons why these comments are stirring up controversy suzanne, is ted nugent came out and endorsed mitt romney in march. it's not exactly clear how much mitt romney wanted that endorsement, there wasn't a huge event surrounding that endorsement. in the circles that matter to people who care about gun rights, ted nugent is an important figure i guess to some of them. these comments are making news right now. the democratic national committee is also making some hay out of this. they released a statement from the chair of the dnc, debbie wasser plan schultz. she is calling on mitt romney to condemn these remarks. she says here it is on screen. mitt romney surrogate ted nugent made offensive comments about president obama that are deplorable and completely beyond the pale. she went on to say that mitt romney and the republican party should be calling on ted nugent at this point to take back those comments and she said that this kind of political discourse has no place in the campaign. here you go. she goes on to say he called the administration vile, american hating and said much worse. yet we have heard nothing from mitt romney and the republican party. so we reached out to the romney campaign no. response. also we are waiting to hear back from ted new gent's representative. we reached out to his people to see what they have to say about this. these comments were made at the nra's annual meeting. i should caution they were not made on stage in any kind of prepared speech, this was sort of back stage at a lot of these conferences as you know, there are side events that go on and he was doing sort of a media estrenlt away from what was happening on stage. but nonetheless they are stirring up controversy. >> jim, do we think it's the kind that is going to stick here? is he all that significant? could this snowball or the kind of thing we have seen in the past where you've got a controversy that lasts 24 hours, lipstick on a pig, for instance, comments that were made in 2008? >> democrats might be eager to get out there and jump on this type of controversy because of what happened with hilary rosen last week as you know her comments spread like wild fire and republicans were all too eager to jump on that. democrats were sort of back peddling away from it. when hilary rosen came out and said that ann romney had not work add day in her life. i don't think i would put ted nugen in the same category. this is starting to get into maybe the silly season of politics of campaign 2012. he is not taken, i would say, seriously on a national level, however, what he does say and you can see in that video behind me, he had a crowd around him at that nra meeting, what he does say does matter to a lot of people inside the movement to protect the second amendment. people in the nra, supportive of the nra, they -- some of them do pay attention to what ted nugent has to say. >> thanks again. president obama used to say that the silly season is upon us. >> that's right. >> thanks, jim. >> it is. yes. >> an issue that affects us, the price we're paying to fill up the tanks, republicans are blaming president obama for the rising prices. the president pointed a finger at wall street, outlined new steps to limit speculation in the oil markets. ali velshi is joining us with some of the details. so, first of all, this is a big policy announcement. not really sure if it's going to affect how much we're paying for gas. what did the president -- initially want to accomplish? >> well, a couple of things. the first thing is increase enforcement by an agency called the commodities future trading commission t equivalent of the securities and exchange commission for oil, for commodities. he wants to increase the number of people there who can enforce, increase the amount of technology they have, and he wants to increase many times the fine that you would pay if you were found to be manipulating the oil market. all of that is good, he also wants to increase margins, the way i explain this. you want to buy stock after company, 100 shares of a company you have to put all the money down. give to the your broker. when you trade in oil you put a very small amount, small percentage of the money down and the thinking is that if you are -- a wild speculator and you have no skin in the game, you're more likely to speculate and buy more oil futures or contracts. this would limit that. there is some sense that might limit speculation. it's a lot like the housing market. there were a lot of things wrong that needed to be fixed, the aim wasn't to fix the price of houses, it was to fix the way it's going so i dmont this will have an effect on gas prices. >> how much of this in light of that do we think this politics, how much is economics? it helps, right, for the president to talk about these things. but it's not really to make that much difference how much we -- it costs to fill the tank. >> he made some references in his speech which i didn't love, connecting it to the price of oil and dependence on oil. it's not nothing to do with that. it's the fact our regulations are not keeping up with some of the people who manipulate the system and this is going to help to try to deal with. it's unclear it will have any effect on the price of oil and the price of gasoline. the connection between those people who have nothing to do with oil, meaning don't drill, don't produce it, they don't buy it for their business, and those who invest just because it's an investment is tenuous. we don't know how much of the price of oil is based on rampant manipulative speculation. what the president is talking about targets that rampant manipulative speculation. it's political in that it makes it feel like he's doing something to affect the price. it's unclear it will. that doesn't mean it's not good, suzanne. it may not have an effect on the price of gas. >> thank you. good to see you. >> so you've been tweeting sending me comments on facebook about how high price of gas is impacting you. here are some of the responses. yes, i plan my trips and try to do things all on the same day. i do not travel as much. don't go to the gym which is six miles from my house. i walk in my neighborhood or do my zumba vids. i'm more likely to take the subway. sure, it takes longer but the price of one ride is cheaper than one gallon of gas. and dan says if any car is driven past half tank it's a bad time in my household. thank you lord for my telecommute gig. >> i believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal before this decade is out of landing a man on the moon. >> all right. remember when the promise of space travel was really exciting, when the images like the shuttle launches were an iconic part of history. maybe as a kid you dreamt of taking a trip to the moon. today that era is coming to an end at least for now. the "discovery" shuttle made its final trip to the smithsonian museum. a former astronaut is joining us. great to talk to you. you and i were together on the last shuttle launch to watch that. it was quite an amazing experience. you were on "endeavour." give us a little flavor. >> first of all, when you're on the launch pad it's sort of like i'm here, it's time to go, we're ready to do this. and there is an incredible amount of energy that is generated from the people inside. and the ride is surprisingly easy. the shuttle is just a really remarkable space vehicle because of how gentle it was when it ascended. you had about three times your weight against your chest, but that was really remarkable. when you get on orbit the sights are incredible. >> mae, what are your feelings? many say it's emotional to see this program close. >> well, you know, it's one of those bittersweet feelings. this was, again, a remarkable vehicle, someone that you were comfortable with and it was part of an era where we as a nation, as a people, became very comfortable with going in space every day. but at the same time, the sweet part is we're moving on. so when we look at and they think about the space shuttle it's sort of where do we go next? we still have people in space. we're still sending people in space. what's happened now is it's growing, it's larger. in fact, i always like to say when one window closes another door opens, and what i'm doing right now is being part of that. we look around us, we look at commercial space flight being part of it. i'm right now have the pleasure and the privilege of leading a team on a project called 100-year star ship that was started and looking at how in the next 100 years we can make sure that humans have the capability to travel outside of our solar system. so there's lots of things going on right now. >> wow. >> it's just a matter that we have to sort of reconcile ourselves to losing an old friend but an old friend who helped us along the way remarkably. >> and mae, what do you think of the priorities? where should the space program be headed? should we look at a mission to go back to the moon or try to invest in going to mars? what is most important? >> i think the most important thing is that we maintain a commitment to pushing the technology. pushing the technology could be accomplished by going on a moon base, it's not something we can't do. it gives us a permanent presence. at the same time that we go on to mars, that's expanding human presence which i think is really important. it's about the depth of the challenge. it's about i think in kennedy's speech he said it's not we do this not because it's easy but because it's hard. why do you take on a hard task or difficult challenge, because you learn so much, you gain so much from doing it. look around us, from global positioning satellites we see everything. >> mae, always learn a lot from you. thank you so much for joining us. good to see you again. >> thank you. >> here is a rundown of some of the stories over the next hour. first, a couple hours to turn your taxes in. that's right. your tax returns. could you take advantage of all of the deductions? we'll take a look at some. also, it's the sign of the times, why new homes have not had telephone land line access in the future. and remember this woman, red-headed spy, secret service, prostitution scandal brings to light security vulnerabilities when it comes to using sex for information. hear more about what agents call operation honey trap. when it comes to using sex for meineke's personal pricing on brakes. i tell you what i can spend. i do my best to make it work. i'm back on the road safely. and i saved you money on brakes. that's personal pricing. >> ready or not taxes due today. about 99 million returns are filed with the irs so far, if you don't have an extension, you have a couple hours left. alison at the new york stock exchange, i understand there are some things that can get tax deductions that people might not know b. i asked if you could like girl scout cookies. if you buy those. is that possible? >> no. no girl scout cookies. listen to this because you are yet to file. instrument a few hours. hopefully you didn't miss them. this is really good for you to hear. here are a few lesser known deductions you can take. weight loss programs, you can take a deduction on this. this isn't vanity. it's for people whose obesity is a serious threat to your health. you have to demonstrate this. this require as doctor's note. you can't deduct diet food but legitimate weight loss programs may be eligible for deduction. also, job searchers, if you are on the job hunt you can deduct some expenses, the catch of course you can't be a first-time job seeker. and you have to look for a job in your current occupation. higher education. up to $4,000 in tax credits, plus you can deduct student loan interest and in some cases tuition and fees can be deducted but that's limited, though. >> i tried to deduct everything but you can't. and the gym membership, i guess it's not going to get away with it. that's not going to fly. >> especially for eating the cookie while at the gym, no. >> tell me a little about the average refund that folks are going to get this year. >> the average refund is from $2700 but that pretty much is the going rate these days. what are people doing with it? there is a survey that show as the 33% said they plan to spend at least part of the refund. one in four plan to save part of their refund and 17% say they are going to use the refund to pay down debt and 5% they are going to invest the money. you know what, approach your nice refund if you are lucky enough to get one, a good idea to see it like it's a bonus. use it wisely. >> i'll use it wisely. i still got to file my taxes. thanks, allison. a couple more hours. land line phone service may abthing of the past. so many of us are woofing to wireness. states responding to the trend, considering laws to ends the requirement that telephone companies provide everyone the option of a land line. phone companies say the move is going to increase competition and allow them to invest in newer technology. some consumer groups worry it's going to hurt affordable service especially in rural areas. >> latino voters may be about to flex their political muscle in arizona. will they turn the state from red to blue? we're going to take a look. ♪ ♪ wow... ♪ [ female announcer ] sometimes, all you need is the smooth, creamy taste of werther's original caramel to remind you that you're someone very special. ♪ werther's original caramels. >> for republicans are facing off in arizona in the race to fill former congresswoman gabrielle giffords's seat. when it comes to the general election in november latino voters in arizona could be a deciding factor in whether the state stays red or turns blue. full story from miguel marquez. >> reporter: when it comes to politics arizona is as bedrock as republicanism gets. but this year could be different. >> if latinos get out and vote in arizona could they make the difference? >> they could. but they have never voted so far in arizona. they have not been a factor. >> reporter: some leaders of the rapidly growing latino population say they will vote motivate fwid fierce debate over immigration. >> i was a republican for 20 years, i am now a registered independent voter. >> reporter: she severed with the gop last year. not getting a good feeling. >> is obama an option? >> i will find out by october. i need the see obama take a stronger lead on the dream act. >> reporter: the dream act provide as path to legality for the undocumented who serve in the military or complete a college degree. 24-year-old erica may look and sound like a citizen. she's not. you are not here legally. >> no. i have been here since i was 11. we came to the country with no status. >> with a degree from arizona state university paid for privately she is the sort of person the dream act would benefit. so strong in her beliefs she is willing to risk deportation. >> many people portray us as illegals as criminals, as people who don't deserve to be in this country but this is the who we are. we're normal people who are here. >> though she can't vote she is working to ensure those that can do. at the debate she was there making her voice heard, urging others to get involved and vote. she hoped more than 100 would turn up. she got less than 50. are latinos going to come out? >> they are going to come out and vote as they did in 2008 and make a dink. >> the political headwinds, the mormon church has a base here. advantage romney. 50% of homes under water and gas prices rising. latinos have to get out the vote with the discipline of an army if they hope to paint arizona blue. miguel marquez, phoenix. >> secret service agents allegedly involved in a prostitution scandal had security clearances pulled. we'll hear how this can cause danger to the president's security. 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>> of course. and it's not just sullivan happens to be the director and this terrible thing happened and the salahis intrusion, another terrible thing happened. the leadership of mark sullivan, the dreirector condoned corner cutting, lackness. i document that. with dozens of examples of corner cutting such as letting people into events without magnetometer screenings, letting passengers in without screening, that alone should be enough to have him removed. yet, you have apologists from the hill saying oh, he's such a good guy, you have president obama sort of glossing over it on sunday by saying if these charges are -- allegations in the press are found out to be true, i'll be angry. it's not allegations in the press, it's the secret service that is saying and told me when i broke the story that of course misconduct was involved. on the subject of honey pots, clayton lonetree compromised secrets at the american embassy in moscow, that was because of a honey pot operation where a very lovely russian woman who is referred to intelligence in terms as a swallow, entrapped him. that's why he began spying for the soviet union. >> you say, you believe that the head of the secret service should resign or be called to step down. you know of anybody who is calling for him to do that? >> no. i think it's pretty incredible. if president bush were president you can be sure people would be calling for all kinds of resignations. and actually, this director was appointed by president bush. but you know, if you add up all of these horrible scandals it's unthinkable that he has not been fired. >> let's talk about the culture in the secret service. covering the white house i dealt with them many times over the course of ten years and there were times when clearly there were dangerous situations and they were right there for the journalists as well as white house staff. there were other times, too, where there were -- security was lax overseas and there was a breach, a stowaway that got on one of the press planes on one of the trips. what is the culture of the secret service? is this an isolated incident? >> it's isolated in the sense that you know, this business about partying and wild goings on is very overblown. that is not the problem. on a regular basis. these agents are very brave and dedicated as a rule, they will take a bullet for the president and really, the secret service director mark sullivan has let them down by operating this agency in such a slipshod way. you hear these people on the hill who know nothing about the secret service talking about these parties, the fact is they are so overworked most of the time, so forced to go into overtime that they barely have time for a life let alone a party. >> all right. ron kessler, thank you for putting it in perspective. >> thank you. >> what happens when you make an anchor angry. kathy griffin finds out the hard way. you know, knowing her she is laughing about it. ♪ [ male announcer ] you're at the age where you don't get thrown by curveballs. ♪ this is the age of knowing how to get things done. so, why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? 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>> kathy's one of a long list, suzanne. there's a lot of new talk shows this fall. katie couric, steve harvey, jeff probst, ricki lake is returning to the talk show circuit and bethany frankl is getting in the game. all of these guys are joining a crowded landscape of daytime talk so it's going to be interesting to see who can get and maintain that audience. but a very different kind of sh show, a new talk show, the world tomorrow. this is the on a state-funded russian television network. he is working with an english language satellite news channel on the show. his first guest was the leader of hezbollah. you know how it goes. he is under house arrest and fighting extradition. it's a different ball game here. he plans to interview the show's guests via satellite feed or in person so we'll have to see how his -- but like a lot of people he's getting in the game, too. sign me up. i want one too. >> i was going to say you should have a talk show. you are hilarious. you're funny. i'm going to start the movement. >> part of a mutual admiration society. i dig you, suzanne. thank you for having me every day. >> we're going to get this going. thanks. for the latest entertainment news watch "showbiz tonight" 11:00 eastern on hln. and you like fries with your salt? 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pulitzer winners ever. >> yeah, actually i was really excited to hear that the two that were younger than me at 22 and 23 were both also women so that's exciting. >> there you go. a great club. were you surprised? >> yes. actually i was. all day long it was a pretty tense day. there were some really great other entries in our category, one in particular that i have to mention is a paper in a weekly that broke this story about low income housing. they have three people on their staff. that was incredible. >> very gracious to mention your competitors there. you have been amazing on reporting on the sandusky scandal. it has put this story on the national radar here, and you talk about it at some point. do instrument mixed emotions about it because it is such a difficult and a painful story for that community. >> absolutely. yesterday was bittersweet for that reason. but you know, as i was talking to people and people were asking me my most memorable moments and all of those questions, i was thinking about it and there's a couple of things that stand out. at some point in that first week when the charges were filed, one of the psychologists for one of the alleged victims told me that he felt it was all worth it, even though the media swarm around his house, there were people breaking into his mom's car leaving their cards inside their vehicle, knocking on their door at all hours but he felt it was worth it because it opened up a conversation nationally, and people who had been keeping sex abuse a secret for a very long time were coming forward and talking about it for the first time. that was one of the very first moments that i really felt like you know, this is a story that needed to be told. >> sarah, why is it because you are really one of the very few people, i mean this was your story. you had this story but it didn't really catch fire for a while. and you had been reporting on this. tell us about that moment where it broke and you realized that this was something that a lot of people were going to start paying attention to. >> well, obviously when the charges were filed it kind of ballooned into this huge event and i think also that took off again a second wind when joe paterno was fired. he was such a figure in the state. i was telling some other reporters not long ago that even to us at the patriot news who have maybe known the most about this story other than the investigators, that was the unthinkable. we never considered that would happen up until the moment that it actually happened. and so, that's when that really exploded into a huge story. and i think it's a big credit that to local reporters that we had sources in that community and we kind of knew where to go to be able to keep a step ahead and not just react to the news that was unfolding so fast. >> sarah, you're an excellent reporter. we saw you right away, we snagged you real quick to be a cnn contributor. you have done an excellent job. we're going to be turning to you 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[ male announcer ] it's a network of possibilities -- helping you do what you do... even better. ♪ a 6-year-old sgirl gets handcuffed and hauled off to the police station. it happened in a city about 60 miles southeast of atlanta. police tell us stherp called to the elementary school last friday and told that she had assaulted a teacher and damaged property. the phillies chief said the child was so combative they had to restrain her for handcuffs for her own safety and the officer involved. he also said police tried to get in touch with both of her parents but could not. police say the little girl was never placed in a holding facility but was in the squad room. still, her mom and aunt say it should have never happened in the first place. >> she has mood swings. i guess it was just one of her bad days that day. >> she may have misbehaved, but i don't think she misbehaved to the point where she could have been handcuffed and taken out to the police department. >> the police chief says his officers did the right thing. he says, people should understand when we transport detainees, they are handcuffed for safety reasons, if the safety of the detainee and officer. when a person is put in handcuff, it's for safety, not punishment. we reached out to the school for comment but the principal has not returned our phone calls. you guys had a lot to say about this case. what? shut up. suzanne, please, tell me this is some sort of a joke. police are handcuffing 6-year-olds. i think police and handcuffs is an effective deterrent against future problems. kids scared now stop and think later. this could leave a traumatic experience in the child's brain which will eventually lead to more difficult personality. truth watcher says i've seen out of control 6-year-olds, although it sounds extreme, the behavior may have war rabbited the action. we have more comments sent from if facebook. tanya peterson says i work with mental health and i can tell you, it's not the first time law enforcement has been called to a school to help out with an aggressive child and have seen 5 and 6-year-olds get very aggressive sometimes. you've got to do what's needed to protect the safety of the child and others. and final, donna writes, a 6-year-old arrested for assault? are you people nuts. if you people cannot handle a 6-year-old child, you have no business being an educator. i don't care that the child had a tantrum. deal with it. thank you for your comments. it's a bird? a plane? venus? a pilot goes into a dave because he thinks a planet is an on coming plane. great looking hair... and confidence [ crowd cheering ] [ male announcer ] head & shoulders for men. see how the carrots i grow make that new stouffer's steam meal so tasty. actually, the milk from my farm makes it so creamy, right dad. dad can see... boys! don't you think stouffer's steam perfect bag should get some credit? my carrots. my milk. [ female announcer ] new from stouffer's. farmers' harvest steam meals taste so good we'll bet the farm on it. all right, this story is almost unbelievable. a pilot woke up from a nap so disoriented that he thought venus, the planet was an oncoming plane. to make things worse, he sent the jumbo jet into a violent dive. lisa sylvester, you're following this story. explain to us how this even happened. >> it was about halfway across the atlantic when all of this happened. the first officer requested a controlled rest. that's a shortstop nap during the flight. it is something that's allowed but it's only supposed to be maximum for 40 minutes long. this pilot slept about 75 minutes so he was in a deeper sleep and disoriented. the captain mentioned there was a u.s. military plane in the vicinity, so the pilot is a little out of it. he sees the blan et venus and he thinks it's the other plane. and it's headed straight towards him. he rams the control stick forward, the plane rapidly descends. and passengers in the back, they are sleeping at the time and suddenly, though, they see the plane starts bouncing around. passengers are thrown out of their seats and here's how one described it. i was thrown out of my seat and hit the ceiling and feel back to the ground. after that, it was kind of chaos. i talked to some of the passengers afterwards. we felt we might have hit something, it was that violent of a push, i guess. it felt is like we hit a mountain or another object. we have some youtube video that we can show you. you can see that some of the plane's ceiling panels were knocked down. the flight was able to continue on and landed safe to i. 10 passengers and two flight attendants had mie noer injuries. this incident happened back in january of 2011. the airline initially blamed turbulence, but it was only after the release of the report by the transportation safety board of canada this week that we found out what really happened and this incident is raising all kinds of issues of pilot fatigue as well as whether or not there should have been three cockpits. >> air canada says they've taken action. they're coming out to see what additional steps should be taken. >> we sincerely regret what some of our customers have said. we've improved safety overall. it happened, the pilot is still on the job, but they are taking a look to see if any changes need to be made. >> thank you so much. we continue right now with brooke baldwin. >> hello, everyone. rapid fire rolling. let's begin in washington, shall we? today a whistleblower took to the stand saying she supports the findings of a government investigation and its response. >> they deserve to have the money paid back and where crimes have been commitmented, people will go to jail. if we have to have future hearings on this topic, you bet we will. john boehner made it official to say he would do everything he can to help mitt romney win the presidency. if the latest cnn research corporation poll is any indication, they need to nak up some ground by november. you see the differential, obama leading ro. knee right now by nine points. also apple stock has really taken a bruising recently. the tech giant has had a pretty tough week, falling about 9% in just a couple of days. it peaked at $636 but yesterday closed at $580. boem spresident obama wants to require oil traders to put up more of their own money to back up these trades and more severe puppishments and fines. >> there are no quick fixes to the problem. what they don't say is that we have been drilling more. under my administration, america is producing more oil than at anytime in the last eight years. president obama also wants to an investigation into water that was poisoned in afghanistan. rueters is reporting that some of the girls are now in critical condition, suffering from headaches and vomiting. they have described katata as an inspiration to terrorists. that process could take months. amazing pictures. lots of oohhs and ahhs as the space shuttling discovery flew over d.c. the farewell flight drew people to the national mall. ireporters, ewith thank you. you've been helping us track discovery since it left florida's kennedy space center. let's call it a piggy back flight because really, that's what it was. it made a smaooth landing in virginia. terror on trial. >> there are no quick fixes to the problem. >> president obama announces a plan to target wall street. it's a plan that won't make republicans very happy. the news starts now. a massive scandal that involves members now former or current of the gsa. they are being grilled again on the hill. but in gsa conference in las vegas, i know you've seen these videos by now, cost more than $800,000 in taxpayer money, this may be just the beginning. >> chairman mike, we investigated a number of individuals. we interviewed individuals. we turned over every stone and every time we turned over a stone we found 50 more with all sorts of things crawling up. want to bring in dana bash. we talked ability the conference in vegas but there's more to this, isn't there? >> e o, there's much more to it. the executive that was now fired, jeff neely, he led a 17-day trip to the south pacific just a couple of months ago. 17 days on the taxpayer dime. hawaii, guam and more. there was $150,000 intern conference in palm springs, california. and just last month, brooke, $40,000 for a conference in napa valley. in vine country. i'm sure there was a good reason for that. . >> what do you mean by intern conference. >> several lawmakers asked why there was a need for conference for interns that are effectively entry level employees. there really wasn't much of an answer to that question. but one of the things about this is that the whistleblower who we've heard about, who we heard from the first time today, she was the deputy administrator at the gsa on this particular trip, the 17-day junket to the south pacific, she actually notified some people about that and it didn't really matter. listen to what happened. >> you notified about the upcoming junket and expressed concern, right? >> i did. >> what happened? >> i expressed concern and asked her to review the plans. >> and that called it off, didn't it? >> no. so they went on that junket. another one to point, california, the hawaii, guam, trip with staff. another trip to atlanta. four-day site visit to hawaii. and then, i guess, where's napa, this trip to napa, is that california? got to go to the wine region. >> okay, so we're hearing about nap that. we're hearing about napa, all these different trips, south pacific, hawaii. i think i sense a theme. >> you should get the theme. it's really stunning to watch this. it wasn't just government employee, it was also members of the families, friends who were brought on this. one of these trips. >> let me ask you, as as we herd susan brita saying, these trips weren't called off. do we know how long in terms of months or dare i say more than a year this behavior went on at gsa. >> today's 5 1/2-hour hearing as well as yesterday's long hearing, it was very clear that was a cultural issue. and one of the things that we certainly saw today. was the people beneath him felt they can't say anything. they couldn't question this idea of spending money extravagantly. listen to what -- the way one lawmaker described it today. >> we're told by witnesses that the culture in region nine was a culture that put down anyone that complained. witnessed said that the regional commissioner would put people down and he knew how to put people down. one witness said there were people who tried to raise an objection and the witness said, quote, he squashed her like a bug, unquote. >> this was the inspector general brian miller who did the investigating. it was also people below. there was no oversight from above. the cfo, the chief financial officer also testified and said she didn't have any idea what the spending was like in that region or others. it was really stunning, the structural problems that led to this unbelievable waste of taxpayer dollars. >> it makes sense we saw some members talking culture and it's time for a culture change. also people lining up all along the sidewalks. they're stopping their cars leaning out the within does. wouldn't you? 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[ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'. >> i have to give a lot of you credit. you helped capture this story, the fare well flight of the space shuttle discovery. we got all kinds of ireports you would and down the east coast as the space shuttle rode piggy back on a modified 747 to its new home in chantilly, virginia. that's right now dulles. this was taken in cocoa beach, florida, ireporter sicily johnson. just listen. and then you can hear some people, just oohing and ahhing. the site wowed washington for 45 minutes. finally, making -- there you go. picture perfect landing in dulles. john, i was up with you this morning. i was watching, i was tweeting. i was oohing and ahhing myself from the comfort of my own home. paint the picture for us. what was it like being there? who was there at kennedy? >> well, you know, it was just surreal. because you see that vehicle on the back of the 747. and they drove down -- they road down the runway and they stopped midpoint on the run way before taking off. you had the six member crew from sds 33, that mission 14 months ago. they were on hand. and, in fact, i was can bob cabana, four-time shuttle flyer, flew as a pilot twice. we were talking just as discovery lifted off behind us. and you could see him. he said i wouldn't be teary eyed. he used that word bittersweet, but it is. so many jobs lost here. it's a saturday time here. 148 million miles flown. but tough here for a lot of people. >> i know it's tough, bittersweet is cliche. i want to talk to you about the future of space flight in just a moment. but you were tagging this thing. didn't it circle the national mall three times before landing at dulles? >> it took forever. it left here just before 7:00 a.m. eastern time. and it was four hours, i looked at it, it was about four hours and 10 minutes almost on the nose to the time it touched down president a one point it came in very low over dulles. i'm looking at it and i'm on the air saying, you know, the landing gear aren't down, so it's not landing this time. it was almost like an extra fly-by that they got. i even told her early on, no someone knew exactly what to expect. a lot was going to be determined by how much air traffic was in the area. what a spectacular show for everybody. we're work on getting the curator from the smithsonian. >> today is wednesday -- it will be friday. this friday. >> okay. >> today is tuesday. okay. i've been up since 3:00 this morning. >> so in a couple of days. >> yeah, friday, they'll start going through it on friday. they'll have enterprise, which is there. they've got to get it out and it will go back of the 747 because they're flying that up to no. eventually it's going to be over there at the intrepid air and sea museum. next week it's going to be barged up the hudson river at some point. i know they're testing out the dragon at the end of this month. what is nasa's role as we really look forward? >> it's split now. what nasa did was they decided they were going to go in a different direction. turn all that over into the commercial companies. space x, orbital, blue horizon, blue origins, a bunch of these different companies are vying to start taking humans to the international space station. they're going to try to rendezvous and berth with the space station. then they'll start taking cargo. then they'll take humans back and forth by a 2016 timetable. >> so we can get boot prints on mars? >> go to mars, go to an asteroid. do things that nasa has done best. >> i look forward to covering those stories with you. >> a car chase, there it was. this is kentucky, but it's the end that you want to watch. 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>> well, they could make it more. then you've got people who pie oil because they use it in their airline or somebody else. oath of them deal with oil futures because they need to know how much their product is going to sell for or buy for. that's speculation in the same way that you buy is house hoping that it's going to go up. that's not manipulation and messing up the markets. so i'm getting to the villain. the villain is generally this third party who doesn't produce oil, doesn't use oil other than the way we normally do driving, but bets on it as something that will go up or down. if you've got enough power, you can move the needle. that's who we're looking for. it's not everyone who invests, it's hyper specific groups of people. >> then you have the president, he comes out today and says he wants to make sure none of the speculators is pulling a fast one on us. let's listen to the president quickly here. >> congress should provide funding to put more cops on the beat to monitor activity in energy markets. >> okay, putting more cops on the beat. >> who are we watching and how does this happen? >> those people who are smart enough and rich enough to move the market also have the best technology, they have these servers that move, you know, faster than other people's servers. and generally speaking, this is the matter of the cops not having guns pound-for-pounderful enough for the criminals. he wants to increase the number of people monitoring and surveilling. he wants to increase the amount of money. you have to put a very small percentage of the money down. the's thinking if you have to put more in, maybe you won't fool around with the market so much. >> fines, money, penalty, et cetera. a we're in an election year and we're all very aware of this. here's what else he said. take a listen. >> our dependence on foreign oil has actually decreased each year i've been in office. even as the economy as grown. now america imports less than half of the oil. we're less vulnerable, but we're still vulnerable. why is the price at the pump still not great. >> the fact is he's right. we do export less oil than we used to. we also create a lot of natural gas in this country. we're not as energy dependent as we use withed to be. we make lots of gas. it's a distilled frukt from oil. the price of gas everywhere else is more expensive than it is in the united states. companies who make gas fake more money shipping it off to other countries. even though we've got an extresz of gasoline, gas prices stay high. so full circumstanle in this conversati conversation, the reason you gas is high is not necessarily the people in the movies manipulating the price of oil. it's a market out there. i wish people would just get it. it's a market, it's a market. say it two times fast. thank you for explaining. still paying nonetheless. could boosting the economy eliminate the wage gap? 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they looked at new york specifically, and i know we don't all live in a high cost city. these are examples for you. we came up with a list of things women could buy if there was no wage gaps. you could buy 67 more weeks of food. 67 more weeks. how about gas. just talking about that with ali. 2,283 gallons of more gas. here's another one. if you like a drink, 228 bhottls of johnny walker black label. and finally, 14 more cars if that wage gap did not exist. that would certainly be different ways you could stimulate the economy. now coming up, we're talking animals. specifically poaching wild animals. many coachers are prosecuted. you're going to meet one man who works to see that they are. >> the risk of death at any moment. it sounds like fiction. but this is a factual account in this just released book. it's called "the last grape ape" a journey through africa and a fight for the heart of the continent. it chronicles how a man uses covert networks to track and prosecute animal coaches, traffickers, many with links to war lords. all in efforts to stop the mutilation and death of these animals that you see here. many of them are very much so endangered for consumption and illegal trade. for years and years, people killed them with absolutely no fear of arrest. then in 2003, he started the last great ape organization. and the first convictions for illegal animal trafficking took place in cameroon. he joins me here live. first, congratulations. the book and everything you've been doing in africa. it's lovely to meet you. first, just explain to me. i've read you have these web of spies. talk to me about these undercover operations that you have to assign and have people take part in. >> we have undercover agents that use hidden cameras, hidden recorders. and we activate them to start infiltrating those kinds of criminal network, trying to get to the big guns. we're not just interested in the poachers, which are usually the smoul sma small guys. we're interested in the big mafia guys. >> explain the difference. trafficking and poaching. what's the difference? >> i'll give you an example of our investigation. cameron bonn w-- won the interpl award. imagine three asian nationals in a residential quarters off the capital. and here they are bringing every two month a 40-foot container into their ro home, filling it up from 600 tusks from elephants. so every two months like a clock, 300 killed elephants find their way out and they were active from the '80s. so just take this as an example. these syndicate heads, they activate hundreds of poachers across many of countries. and they activate dozens of disrupt officials to buy their own immunity. they have a network. they try to climb up and find this gkind of guys and put them behind bars. >> so what exactly is in it for these traffickers across the globe. obviously it's always about money. the big, big money, the tusks and the meat these animals bring in? >> usually don't want to give the figures. we don't want to advertise how great of an inlegal trade it is. but it's a tremendous amount of money we're talking about. the syndicate i just mentioned was getting illegal revenue of millions of dollars per month. these kinds of forms of illegal activities are linked to illegal trade in drugs, illegal trade in arms, money laundering. what we are dealing with is the organized crime part of things. that means we have to have far more profession al -- >> i know some of your own agents have been shot at as a result of these criminal. why do you do this? why are you risk your life for these animals? >> not just for me, but the team of africa. we do this with a lot of determination. when you're putting in cameroon, more than 450 traffickers behind bars, you definitely don't have a lot of friends, right? we have physical life, life threats. political threats. legal threats, you name it. one was close to getting killed but managed to get him safe and behind bars. >> is kita is the chimp you crawled into the cage with? >> no, that would be future. that's a different one. the beautiful thing about kita is he was a chimp that liked to be tickled. you can see how she's laughing. chimps do laugh. there's more to it than just el fwa w -- elephants or apes or wild life. our struggle to protect our endangered or beautiful world goes beyond wildlife. most of the places that shaped me, gave me the urge to become an activist these places are now dying. and the culture, which i spent time with, the tribes that accepted me to their homes, these are all cultures that are getting. >> they shouldn't be killed and poached and trafficked, et cetera. your book is "the last great ape." >> thank you, brooke. >> coming up, ted nugent says he will either be dead or in jail this time next year if president obama is reelectriced. jim accosta, ted nugent is a big gun person, a conservative. what is the obama administration saying about his latest comments? >> ted gnugent has been controversial for a long time. at an nra convention last friday he said this. hard at work with this issue. they put out a web video not too long ago, showing some video, or some audio i should say of mitt romney welcoming ted nugent's endorsement back in march. this is audio from a radio interview that mitt romney did where he basically acknowledged having a one of meeting with the rock 'n roller. he is a high profile supporter of his campaign. which explains why the romney campaign put out a statement walking awhat from what ted nugent had to say. the quote, i'll read it to you. we have it on screen. everyone needs to be civil. all of this comes after the controversy late last week that democrats haed to one array from and denounce when hillary rosen said that ann romney had not worked a day in her life. the silly season of politics? >> it has begun. >> the silly sun can get going. >> is ted nugent still standing by what he said? >> we reached out for a statement from ted nugent. have not heard back from him yet, but i would be surprised if he backs away from this. that's not his style. >> okay, but camp romney walking away from it. the scandal around bobby petrino has football kick, which this is what one woman calls herself. my next guest disagrees. you know how to mix business... with business. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price. i could get used to this. 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