vladimir putin. >> i suppose we don't know for sure if this is being done on purpose or whether it is just ineptitude. the consequences could be the same. i think the ukrainians are saying they have diesel generators which can do the work for 48 hours. they're running out of time. what does happen if you can no longer use the spent rods? >> i'll tell you, the reason i believe this is intentional is because it is not as if russia wasn't warned about this, it is not as if vladimir putin hasn't been signaling time and again that he wants to use nuclear energy or nuclear weapons as a tool in his arsenal in this illegal invasion of ukraine. and so if we don't get control of it, if the internationalscie don't get control of it, don't get it running again, then there is a risk of a meltdown and that cannot be something that is continually held as a trigger to the head of the ukrainian people or europe. >> i get your point here.