discussing how the west would supp hort a ukrainian president in compile should president volodymyr zelenskyy have to flee kyiv as the war intensifies. joining us is european affairs director lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. i wonder right now, first off, here we are still talking and the ukrainians have withheld russian advances. it just seems to be stalling out even in the south where they've been making progress last week. >> that's exactly right. the russians went through plan a, b, c. they're moving on to plan b. a was based on these false assumptions that the ukrainians would fold, that the russians would be able to achieve their political ob jikives through military force in the first couple days. that fell apart. plan b was really probably a slight innovation, trying to use additional force, start to bomb