war for 20 years, fighting terrorism, and then wars in iraq prior to that. but we haven't seen this sort of russian way of war and so it is going to be ugly and it is going to be brutal, and we have to look at the ramt ficifications. we're talking about the death of a country. and we have to think what that means. because, you know, freedom and security don't come free. we need to defend those things. and frankly this came on us because years over years we didn't push back against vladimir putin, and so now he continues to take more and more and this is what dictators do, this is what bullies do, now we have to rethink and say, you know, how do we protect ourselves going forward, how do we protect democracies around europe. >> that deters him if he is emboldened by weakness, and he doubles down in the face of strength? >> that's a great question. and he's a dictator. he must -- every night have a nightmare that he is going to be dragged in the gutter like