to play for everyone. >> that doesn't answer my question. when it comes to the new york times, it will be free. how about five years from now, ten years from now? >> i wish i had that kind of crystal ball, but i don't. >> so you won't commit that wordle will always be free. because it is free now. >> that's right. it is free. when it comes to the times, it will be free, and, yeah. >> this is being -- this is not a sherman-esque denial right now. >> i just -- yeah, it is hard for me to talk about anything five years in the future, ten years in the future. so, you know, all i can say is that the game will remain free when it comes to "the new york times". >> all right, the hostile part of the interview can be over now. >> i don't know. i want to ask one more question, jonathan, isn't that part of what is so wonderful about wordle, it is free for the masses? anyone can play it? >> it is. it is. absolutely. and that is not something that we would want to change and it