almost no legal defense to stand on, and the charges against him will be much easier to prove and he'll be in a much weaker position in defending against them. >> can i just follow-up on that. i do think it's important. in other words, if the supreme court says there's no privilege around these documents from that day, it's myly unlikely they would think there is any privilege around conversations on that day, correct? >> that's absolutely right. . the courts have generally not identified any difference in the form given. it would be about what blinken might be telling president biden about the ukraine invasion. it doesn't matter whether he is saying that orally in the oval office or sending him a memorandum from his trip. the same would be true of mark meadows and any one of trump's employees. the form of the advice doesn't