the reframing of marilyn monroe, not just looking at her as a blond bombshell, but as something more. >> yeah. i think we have been doing so much reframing of women in the public eye over the last couple of years, and so marilyn is perfect for this topic because people see her as being simply a sex object, but she was so much more than that. she was very ambitious and very driven. the whole blond bombshell marilyn monroe persona was of her own making because she knew that it would sell to audiences. and she wasn't an overnight success. she worked very hard, for many years and was in many small roles before she became a star. so many of the hollywood executives didn't see her potential, so it was really her drive that got her to the position that she is still in today, where we're still talking about her. >> she saw her potential. and i wonder, if she had not passed away, what do you think her role would have been in