people about how to manage the holidays. so that there can be limited mixing between households, people can be safe, can be testing using masks, meeting outdoors where possible. we should have had some kind of circuit break over the last couple of weeks. and i worry we're going to be after the holidays. >> do you think this approach by the prime minister saying there is not enough evidence to do anything before christmas, i don't know if this is an attempt to preserve the holiday, quote, unquote, but is this going to lead to potentially some sort of a post christmas surge? >> i think it is likely. we certainly saw a big surge last year. there is a lot of mixing that happens over the holidays. i think the scientific consensus here is that more should be done. politically it is complicated. nobody wants to quote, unquote cancel christmas or the holidays and the prime minister is also facing a revolt from his own party who are, you know, strongly against any kind of