as congressman luria said to me is very interesting because for all the reporting that has been done and all the discussions we had since january 6th, we know very little about that time period from inside the white house. we know -- you cover it every day. we really don't know. >> it is like a black hole. >> it is a black hole. it is legally perhaps perilous for a lot of people involved, charlie. >> it seemed to me that i thought we kind of understood what was happening, that the president of the united states sicked a violent mob on the capitol, article two attacking article one. now we're getting the details filled in by the people around them. it seems most everybody who cared for the president was trying to encourage him to, you know, call off the dogs. which it took him such a long time to do. and then when he did it, you know, he said he loved them. and so i think this is, again, it is just devastating that the president's state of mind was pretty obvious on that day he seemed to be okay with what was