and we got it, something that doesn't happen. i think we should pay attention to this case. see, who did what differently, if we replicate that work. >> it is interesting, because the defense, when the jury wasn't in the room, said things about black pastors that were clearly racially motivated. you had the defense, well, the jurors were in there, making physical references that i don't need to repeat right now. i think wanda heard them more than enough at this point. but that clearly were racially charged. but it didn't work. it didn't work. this jury, which was mostly white, didn't buy it. so what does that tell you, this morning, lee? >> you know, i like to think that the jury received the information to rely on the old vestiges of racism and bigotry in making their decision about whether or not the defendant's actions were justified, and i think the jury answered pretty emphatically, they were in my opinion and we didn't have a