>> a month later after having even more time to consider his answer, the infamous i don't recall made an appearance twice. quote, look, i definitely spoke to the president that day. i don't recall. i know it was more than once. i just don't recall the times. let's talk about this with bob woodward, co-author of "peril." why, bob, is this such a hard question for jim jordan to answer? >> because the whole goal here was -- is steve bannon is quoted in our book saying to strangle the biden presidency in the crib, to subvert the process of certifying the biden election. remember, at this time, trump is president. he's talking to bannon. he's talking to jordan. he's talking to giuliani. he's talking to people we probably don't know about. he had come back from mar-a-lago, avoiding reluctantly that new year's eve party.