very critical piece. mike pence played a very critical role in this incredibly high-stakes test for our democracy. i think that that probably also underscores, and i think this is why the woodward/costa book is titled "peril," in part, because wei we're not out of this yet. we're in a situation that is tenuous. this is a lot at stake. the former president is still trying to do these things. there is a good chunk of the country that's currently listening to him. so that's a really troubling place to be. >> kasie hunt, thank you so much. >> always good to see you, john. in a few hours, president biden makes his presidential debut at the united nations general assembly. the president plans to advocate for a global response to the major issues facing the world. i think more than that, the significance is this moment that we are in right now. the united states has struggled with the withdrawal from afghanistan. the united states, extreme tension with key allies like france. that's the setting that the president is approaching as he
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