more than a certain number above the so-called debt and deficit. and so once these committees work through it, president of the agriculture committee has $195 billion. they may mock up, and it's only 194 billion. it may be 196 billion. these are the things we don't know until we work on what it is we're trying to do, and that's why i have been saying to people, we ought not be talking about these numbers. let's talk about what needs to be done, and let's put forth our proposals to address those needs, and then let's look at what the number may or may not be, and then we can make some informed decision. right now we are just talking about a number, and nobody is talking about what we're trying to do. there are 12 states where low-income people have less health care, federal assisted health care coverage than