language -- >> that's one of the best election lawyers in the country. >> lincoln? >> i might not use that -- i might not use that precise lange wording. i would agree with that sentiment. it is very important for all of us who believe in democracy to recognize the depths of this crisis. and we keep hearing this, even one of your earlier guests we're approaching -- how close we were to a crisis. we're in the midst of a crisis. it is a few -- had those insurrections turned right instead of left at one point, literally instead of left as they stormed the capitol and ran up the stairs and the brave police officer or guard helped get them out of the way, we could have had a very different outcome here. now imagine that happening, jerry talked about in republican-controlled state legislatures. imagine what happens if kevin mccarthy, not nancy pelosi is speaker of the house and this goes to jerry's point that this is not just donald trump. it is the official position and i don't say that with an