gram. >> only ten picograms is allowed. >> that's correct. but just because that that's the rule doesn't mean that it's a proper rule. and the reason why it's not a proper rule is that at that level, there would be zero pharmacology in a horse, zero. and it would have had no effect on this race. one thing you haven't heard and you will not ever hear is an equine pharmacologist come out and say that 21 picograms, 25 picograms would have any pharmacology in a horse. they're not going to say that because they can't say that. >> mr. robertson, yes or no, did the horse break the rules? was the amount of the drug beyond the rules? >> as i said, the kentucky rules do not allow the finding of any betamethasone. >> so, yes, it was beyond the rules. was bob baffert aware of the