unlimited resources, you would do both. have the hearings and be in court fighting for all those witnesses. i think they've made just a tactical decision. they don't want to divert resources and attention into court battles. we have enough with the call, with the taylors, the vindmans, fiona hill. that's just a tactical decision they made. >> joe, the cnn reporting is that nancy pelosi held a meeting with the caucus yesterday. she walks in and says, are you ready. and the response was yes. there was a roar then. from a political standpoint, what are you hearing now from democrats about what house democrats people connected to this directly, what they want to see? >> i think they all want to move forward. i think the case has been made and they've made the case about how this is important not only for our national security but for our democracy. and you can't then walk that back. i think there's still a debate about how many articles of impeachment. and i think that's what they