from the time bill taylor expressed concern about the quid pro quo and when gordon sondland got back to him. >> there are real questions about whether that call happened. he was specific. it happened in between those two tects. one after midnight and one at 5:00 a.m. which is strange to think about it. he's calling the president at 1:00 a.m.? 2:00 a.m.? the testimony of two other witnesses was different about that call. they say it happened three days earlier. he told us about it. we have contemporaneous notes about when he told us about it. what was stated was much worse for donald trump. it was no quid pro quo but he needs to get -- zelensky needs to get to a microphone. that's, i believe, what really happened. and i think sondland's engaged in some fudging here. it's a tricky scenario for democrats. even though he fudged in trump's favor, he's still helpful to their case. i'm looking for that report to see how they cast him. >> before we leave, the other question is do democrats expand this beyond the ukraine issue,