wavering, which so far it's not had a dramatic drop, they feel good about it because they think his fate is in good hands. >> and this whole story, normally, it unfolds where you have a piece of evidence piled on piece of evidence and finally this story started with a confession. this story started with a transcript with the president doing what everyone was accusing him of. so i think that -- i think that impacts the fact that they haven't moved from 50. >> it's funny when i hear some of the president's supporters in the media say, oh, it's too confusing. nobody can follow this. it's actually quite simple. the ukraine one is simple for the public to get their mind on. people understand money. people understand the offer of a bribe. will congress and the american public, after this court hearing, this court decision last night, ever see president trump's taxes? >> well, let me give you a ringing i don't know. i mean, i think -- >> going out on a limb there. >> you know, it's -- why i get