that this is going to move forward in d.c. you'll see impeachment in january, you'll see a trial. and by november, this will be woven into tapestry of the election. and i'm not sure that it's going -- except for a few of the democratic -- i'm sorry, a few of the republican senators who are sitting on the bubble in states like colorado, arizona, maine, they have to be concerned about this. and they're in a very tough spot, caught between their base and swing voters in very difficult races. >> is that how you think it's going to play out? >> i think it's going to have a direct impact on trump and his re-election. there is no doubt from both the bi-elections and from the midterm elections that turnout is going to be massive in the next election. so i believe that the impeachment will help trump's base turn out, and it will certainly help the democratic base turn out. it's the people in the middle who are sitting -- who actually looked at these hearings and said, i want to learn something as opposed to, i already know