i've heard from being in the hbcu community, they're like i don't know yet. you've got a lot of greeks, i don't know yet. and those are -- that's their base. and that's what i just -- i'm just not getting it yet. >> and i appreciate that. i think that this is where i would -- i definitely agree with you. i think that there is a clear gap. when you look at that graphic again, if they can pull it back up. with kamala harris' cash on hand -- thank you very much. >> look at that. >> ask and you shall be given. >> when you look at this, though, and you compare kamala harris' numbers to her debate performances, there's a bridge that needs to be gapped. but i also think the reality is this can easily be turned around with a different debate team, with a different strategy. the people who talked in the focus group she's using the same. it's gotten applause lines at rallies. it works.