>> admiral kirby told us that it wasn't that out of the norm. there were times when the secretary of state would listen in on the phone calls in his experience if it had something to do with their area of expertise. so, susan, who knows? that's one of the questions that we have, obviously, and you know, jeffrey, just about that phone call, just from a 30,000-foot view. i have trump supporters saying that's how he talks. he's a new york city wheeler and dealer, do me a favor, it's his colloquialism and if you listen to the sausage being made on every president on what's supposed to be a priefvate phon call, maybe it would sound different, too. do me a favor, is it a real problem? >> remember, we're in the impeachment area now. we're not in the law enforcement area. an impeachable offense is what congress decides it is. so it may be well and good that