america. from outside the district. so -- and then when it came down to details, he embraced the idea of sanctuary counties in our case where you have local law enforcement deciding for the first time in north carolina not to cooperate with immigration authorities. i don't think that helped. and i think it made it an opportunity for people to see that this is not common sense, and it doesn't fit north carolina. >> part of what was interesting to me is you said he ran as a moderate, which he did. he absolutely did. and one of the questions is, what's happened in your district and what does it mean around the country that it went from plus 12 to donald trump to a victory by 2% for you and frankly when this race was first run in 2018, the margin was smaller. there's a ten-point swing there from 2016 to now and a year ago. why do you see that happening? >> well, i do think any time you can put one candidate up who professes to be a moderate and