models and not assistants. this made everyone very uncomfortable and they knew ahead of time that this was a condition epstein would be bringing these women and female staff, especially, feared for these women's safety. i think it's an illustration of the impact that it has when you cover up a relationship like this. he was using the prestige of these relationships to continue his activities. now whether that had anything to do with these two women or not we don't know. certainly writ large epstein was continuing his pattern in this period and a lot of whistleblowers felt guilty about the cover-up. >> that is a great example because it shows the brazenness with which jeffrey epstein behaved. he would trot out different women, women were always around him. this was for years and years. and i guess, what's the lesson here, that m.i.t. was so money grubbing that they were willing to overlook all of that? >> i think the lesson is bigger than that, alisyn. i think the lesson is when important institutions we care about and believe in have