client, and that is the defense, what they want to hear. the defense has done its job in terms of laying out the issue for mental illness. they've had experts parade before the jury to suggest the man you see right there was insane. but there's a very big difference between mental illness and insanity as that is defined in colorado. clearly there was some mental issues there. i mean, that could have certainly went into what he was doing in terms of the psychosis that the experts are saying that he had. however, when you look at what the prosecutions expert said -- it's a battle of the experts here. in terms of the planning and preparation would be suggestive of what the prosecution's expert versus said. >> when we look at video of him in court, i have to think that the jury was watching him quite