protests around the country, the narrative is that the police are bad. you're in danger of the police, not the hoodlums and the hooligans and the bad people that are out will. >> so, what can we take away from this? what can other cities learn from berkeley to make sure the protests remain peaceful? we've seen huge protests, massive protests all over new york city, and the police there seem to be doing something right. >> well, what they're doing right is, again, though, the protesters are driving this. so, the police are giving them as much leeway as possible. if they shut down highways, so be it. if they go into a store like apple and have a dye-in or a sit-in or disrupt business, but it's only for a short period of time, allow it. but you know, all it's going to take is one or two people to really start bombarding the police with any debris that could be dangerous or shots fired or actual looting. and you'll see a whole different reaction from the police. and i think there were some people out there, as this goes on, that may be what happens