who people are based on race, agenda, age, other factors. they may make a different judgment when a black kid standing up like tamir rice than a white kid. >> one thing that surprises me about you when sometimes you're reflexively defensive in these situations, they were the first ones to ask for more community policing. you got to let me get in this community when i'm not booking somebody. when i'm not making an arrest. whether it was african-americans or anything else. they wanted to be there because they saw this problem. the only time you see me i'm coming hard at you, you're not going to trust me. >> that's why i'm very pro community policing. i walked a beat in a black neighborhood where they assassinated a white police officer two years earlier. this is 1978.