that carson is right to raise. he wants a chance to answer them. but it's also not patty cake. this isn't supposed to be come and give us your talking points. i think john kasich wants that. i don't think jeb bush wants that. they want a good substantive conversation. we did that in simi valley. we'll do it again in las vegas and hopefully again in march. >> that's why it's interesting these campaigns are coming together, reportedly led by the carson camp. they believe that will be their avenue to inclusion at the higher echelon. one last quick thing. paul ryan, he's got good buzz on him. he's in there now. what's the plus/minus as this starts the new leadership? >> this is all plus. paul ryan is 45. there's a generational change taking place. you've got katherine mcmorris-rodgers, she's 46. kevin mccarthy is 50.