are public, which are private. that's why it's relevant. >> what's the up shot for you? again, i think, sadly, americans accept that politicians make decisions that sometimes involve political spin. what do you want to see happen if in fact your scenario is accurate? >> our charge has always been to get to the truth, alisyn. that's what we're trying to do. that's why we want a neutral third party like a retired federal judge to examine it. just this week, we got 5,000 e-mails from ambassador stevens. none of the other committees had access to that information and we're just now getting it. that's how long this takes this state department, this administration to get us the record and information. that's what's so frustrating. you can't get to the truth if you can't get the record and all the information. she's putting up road block and the state department is putting up road blocks. >> even the chairman of your committee, trey gowdy admitted after the 11-hour marathon session that he wasn't sure