about it. look what's making donald trump so popular right now. now that he's a mean guy. not that he is someone who is bad. he's tapping into rage and people are rallying around him about it. is that just the way we are or can we be better? >> look i think we like the spectacle aspect of it. there's a reason why all the cable networks were carrying donald trump's arrival yesterday on his jet like he was the pope coming to america for the first time. it's because he is ratings gold. he's entertaining. it's like watching a very wealthy archy bunker go off and rant and rave. people find it funny when you see donald trump give speeches. you always hear people life because the things are outrageous you can't believe they are coming out of