>> not as often. >> what i'm saying -- >> if they're in some meeting with the president, the president's going to get whatever he wants. i can't see a police chief say, no i do not want an apc. >> my bigger point here is i don't think we're disagreeing that much. we're both saying the police need stuff to protect them. we agree. there are certain things we both think are excessive. you're saying they're not asking for it. i'm saying we don't know if they're asking for it because this bill allows it to be obscure. remember some of the this stuff isn't stuff police can't have needs to be more controlled tightly released. >> this is an unnecessary distraction. the money for community policing's been cut, having police officers come out of those communities has been cut. it's not a priority. those are the things they should be emphasizing. >> i don't think it's an unnecessary distraction at all. i've been ongoing town to town literally talking to people about militaristic police practices. >> practices. >> and the two things they talk about are the way they patrol