how did he slip the net and get out of the country late 2012? early 2013? that's a really big question. at the moment the ease of travel through europe is certainly something that worries counterterrorism officials here. it's not like getting on a trans-atlantic flight where you know your travel plans are flagged well in advance. it is easy relatively easy to slip out of this country into other parts of europe. move let's say to turkey and into syria. it's an open question was it a miss? he was certainly under their spotlight before. back to you. >> nic robertson, thanks so much. let's talk about it with mitch silver the executive managing director for k 2 intelligence and former director of intelligence for the nypd. and daveed gartenstein-ross senior fellow for the foundation of defense of democracies. you both are experts in the field of recruitment. you're great guests to have on this morning. mitch, i want to start with you. let me read to you what the head of counterterrorism for the fbi, the director michael steinbach