after a long career i'm wondering, why that is. what made him such a source of admiration for you? >> well a number of reasons. first of all, i think it's the bottom line was -- it was always, when he and i used to have lunch and dinner together almost once every six weeks or two months when we were both in office. talk about the problems of the two states. and we get into a lot of other things. but as we talk about policy as we talk about problems the bottom line for mario cuomo was always what was right. it wasn't what was politically right. it wasn't what will help me in my career or this or that. it was always what's the right thing to do. and in making those decisions, he would bring in this vast knowledge. because he was a, the pleasure of being with him, you could talk about anything. it wasn't just politics could you talk about history and he was an historian, a scholar, a lincoln expert. you could talk about philosophy religion you could talk about sports.