hoped for a different kind of world. i would have to say we did not -- this particular type of incursion had been thought about by our own government. we were concerned about it. can you read different state department memos on that point, but russia in some ways was isolated and felt vulnerable and part of the problem is the weakness the ukrainian state. again, my plea for the world community, particularly the osce and the united nations, the european union to do what is necessary to strengthen the existing government of ukraine. >> so former ambassador, let's end on this -- if i'm russia and you are nato or pick whatever western influence or if it just has to be the united states who fronts it, what can be said to me that can get me to back off where i am right now and to just get me to deal with negotiations? >> putin's not going to back off. talk won't make him do that.