what's going on in western sievization. this would have been their first opportunity to have that experience. and those opportunities potentially will be lost in the future because of the antics of dennis yesterday in your interview. >> does it change the analysis, though, that they agreed to play this good will game on the ruler's birthday and what they had to know rodman was terming a gift and of course the money involved? >> first of all, that's a huge leap to make that assumption. and again, let's face it, i consider myself to be reasonably educated, i didn't know it was kim junk un's -- jong-un's birthday. >> so they may not have known? >> those guys could have been blind sided. you saw how uncomfortable they were sitting there when dennis rent on his rave and his rant. i don't think there's any question they were compensated