man like yourself which angry and hatred that surely you deserve to feel? >> i think that he managed all of his personas have carefully the persona of the leader, if persona of the mandela leak every one of us who could sit down, argue which us, disagree which us, debate which us. i'm sure he would have identified whiidentify which people. owe 'people. this was his religion. >> we, you are absolutely right. even though he went through chechen prison, whenever people from different denominations came in, they obviously wanted to see him, so he would go and sit and listen very attentively.