government's focused on, number one, the firearm. he was what we call a straw purchaser. he purchased the weapons not for the intent of having them himself but the intent of ultimately transferring them over. looking at the form right here, it says you have to indicate on that form, are you the buyer? it says, if you misrepresent that, you face up to ten years. so that's a misrepresentation. now, obviously, what the debriefing of him, they'll get other information. you mentioned, started out with the material support. could it lead to that? of course. in the event that -- >> he knew. and if he didn't know, does it matter? >> well, it could matter. because, you know, look, he knew, when he was purchasing those guns, they weren't for him. in addition of that, we know of the plot that happened around the same time. >> he knew he was supplying guns to someone who wanted to do bad at one time. >> exactly. they apparently had a plot which they aborted based upon a