so i think that he had bad judgment, yes. was he at the wrong place? yes. is it something he shouldn't have done? yes. and i think he admits all of that. but i don't think it's going to rise to the level unless there is evidence that comes out that he espoused these views, that it's going to rise to the level of pressuring him out. >> john, i think there are a lot of people who are skeptical of the idea that somebody who is as skilled a political operator as then-state representative, now congressman steve scalise is -- and he is admired by many of his colleagues, democrats and republicans. the idea that in 2002, he wouldn't know who precisely he was addressing at this louisiana speech. when david duke had been a very big and important figure in louisiana politics since the '80s, having run for senate, having run for governor. do you believe him?