fishing boats. so while we think of this as this vast expanse of ocean, all have quite an abundance of debris floating both at its surface and below. >> but 122 pieces in one specific spot. christine, i'll get you to weigh in on this. we have talked a lot, you and me, about gyres and patterns, and on sunday, 122 pieces, that gives a lot of people hope. should they have that hope? >> i think so. i is ernl certainly do. and nicholas brought up a point which a lot of us forget. there is a lot of garbage junk out there. the pollution bottles, plastic. and in this particular area, i think it's very common there will be, given the ocean currents and the gyres, it's going to come up and swell up, especially after a storm, it settles and then moves around. this could be -- this could be mixed in with what they are seeing in these 122 pieces.